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Anger at Al Hilaly's 'uncovered meat' remarks12:18 PM October 26
A senior Muslim cleric has drawn criticism for reportedly preaching that some women are attracting sexual assault by the way they dress and their actions.
Sheikh Taj el-din Al Hilaly is reported as saying that women who do not wear the hijab, or headdress, are like uncovered meat.
The quotes, taken from a sermon the cleric made in Sydney last month, are published in The Australian today.
The ABC has been unable to contact Sheikh Al Hilaly, but an associate Keysar Trad, says the mufti's comments have been taken out of context.
"He wasn't talking about rape in any way," Mr Trad said.
"He wasn't talking about standard norms of dress in Australia or any country, he wasn't talking about the hijab, he was talking about people who engage in extramarital sex.
But the Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner and New South Wales Liberal Party candidate, Pru Goward, does not believe the Sheikh can backtrack over his comments.
She says he could be guilty of incitement to the crime of rape, and he should be deported.
"On that basis he can, if his visa arrangements are appropriate, be deported," Ms Goward said.
"I would strongly urge the Islamic leadership to ask him to go, we would all support that.
"There is a pattern of these statements, we are a tolerant people but incitement to the crime of rape is not acceptable."
'Flabbergasted'
A former member of the Federal Government's Muslim Advisory board, Iktimal Hage-Ali, says Sheikh Al Hilaly should be stripped of his position.
Ms Hage-Ali has heard a recording of a speech made by the Sheikh last month, in which he said women can be blamed for attracting sexual assault if they do not dress appropriately.
She says she is disgusted by the comments.
"When it comes to adultery 90 per cent of the blame is on a woman," she said.
"If a woman puts powder on her face and puts lipstick [on] and struts her stuff then she should be held at fault, if a man comes and attacks her and then that analogy about meat and cats. I was just flabbergasted."
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) Commissioner, Mick Keelty, says the furore over comments attributed to the Sheikh may damage relations with the Islamic community.
Commissioner Keelty says the Sheikh's comments could cause links with the Islamic community to be strained.
"What we're trying to do is work closely with the Islamic community - all of us - and understand them better and I guess this just, you know, doesn't help that cause," Commissioner Keelty said.
Political condemnation
The Treasurer Peter Costello has also condemned the reported comments by Sheikh Al Hilaly.
Speaking on Channel 7, Mr Costello said the Muslim community must condemn the comments and take action against the Sheikh.
"If you have a significant religious leader like this preaching to a flock in a situation where we've had gang rapes, in a way that seems to make it justifiable, or at least lighten the dehumanising and degrading extent of the offence, then people that listen to that kind of comment can get the wrong idea," Mr Costello said.
Federal Opposition Leader Kim Beazley says the remarks are offensive and the mufti should apologise for them.
"They are offensive and they should be retracted by him, they should be retracted immediately," Mr Beazley said.
"Those offensive statements should not be permitted to stand."Source: ABC
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Sheikh will step aside, Muslim colleague says9:47 AM October 30
An open letter has been sent to senior Sydney Muslim cleric Sheikh Taj El-din Al Hilaly, asking him to step aside from his position as the leader of Australia's largest Muslim congregation.
Last night a meeting was held behind closed doors by the Lebanese Muslim Association (LMA), which runs the main mosque in Sydney's south-west.
Already Sheikh Al Hilaly has been asked not to preach for three months, after it was revealed he had compared some women to uncovered meat during a sermon.
Dr Jamal Rifi is a close friend of the Sheikh and founder of Muslim Doctors Against Violence.
Dr Rifi sent the letter and says he thinks the Sheikh will step aside.
"I have no doubt whatsoever," he said.
"He knows where I stand, he knows where he stands and he has no option whatsoever but to put the interests of the community and society."
Source: ABC
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I cant believe ideas like these still exist... let alone in Australia.. since i was a kid, i've been furious at the laws some countries tried to pass.. things like..
"if a woman was raped and has sought for legal advice, the counsel cannot assist her further unless there are three MALE witnesses to the assault, has been identified."
dude, whuatthefuck?
"...reportedly preaching that some women are attracting sexual assault by the way they dress and their actions." attracting..sexual...assault?
and also, the defense used by the prosecuted included things like
"i am not to blame for my 'actions' because it was the way the plaintif has dressed up (uncovered meat) that has enticed me to do what i did."
yes ladies and gentlemen we're talking about rape here. and with that regard, you can go get fucked by some animal and die in a fire... you're no less than an animal and certainly no more than one either. that is seriously, the MOST PATHETIC defense anyone can think of.
"The ABC has been unable to contact Sheikh Al Hilaly, but an associate Keysar Trad, says the mufti's comments have been taken out of context."He wasn't talking about rape in any way," Mr Trad said. "
O RLY?
"He wasn't talking about standard norms of dress in Australia or any country, he wasn't talking about the hijab, he was talking about people who engage in extramarital sex."
Rolfcopter, that is like, putting an omlette and a fire truck together, then saying the both compliment each other.
not talking about the hijab eh?
"Sheikh Taj el-din Al Hilaly is reported as saying that women who do not wear the hijab, or headdress, are like uncovered meat."
red handed!
i can never understand how people like this dude, being such a sexist, can climb to a position that high in a religious organization.. i cannot understand a religion that would prosecute half of their members even till today, to the extent they cannot show their "meat" either.
seriously, reroll plz.
Anger at Al Hilaly's 'uncovered meat' remarks12:18 PM October 26
A senior Muslim cleric has drawn criticism for reportedly preaching that some women are attracting sexual assault by the way they dress and their actions.
Sheikh Taj el-din Al Hilaly is reported as saying that women who do not wear the hijab, or headdress, are like uncovered meat.
The quotes, taken from a sermon the cleric made in Sydney last month, are published in The Australian today.
The ABC has been unable to contact Sheikh Al Hilaly, but an associate Keysar Trad, says the mufti's comments have been taken out of context.
"He wasn't talking about rape in any way," Mr Trad said.
"He wasn't talking about standard norms of dress in Australia or any country, he wasn't talking about the hijab, he was talking about people who engage in extramarital sex.
But the Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner and New South Wales Liberal Party candidate, Pru Goward, does not believe the Sheikh can backtrack over his comments.
She says he could be guilty of incitement to the crime of rape, and he should be deported.
"On that basis he can, if his visa arrangements are appropriate, be deported," Ms Goward said.
"I would strongly urge the Islamic leadership to ask him to go, we would all support that.
"There is a pattern of these statements, we are a tolerant people but incitement to the crime of rape is not acceptable."
'Flabbergasted'
A former member of the Federal Government's Muslim Advisory board, Iktimal Hage-Ali, says Sheikh Al Hilaly should be stripped of his position.
Ms Hage-Ali has heard a recording of a speech made by the Sheikh last month, in which he said women can be blamed for attracting sexual assault if they do not dress appropriately.
She says she is disgusted by the comments.
"When it comes to adultery 90 per cent of the blame is on a woman," she said.
"If a woman puts powder on her face and puts lipstick [on] and struts her stuff then she should be held at fault, if a man comes and attacks her and then that analogy about meat and cats. I was just flabbergasted."
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) Commissioner, Mick Keelty, says the furore over comments attributed to the Sheikh may damage relations with the Islamic community.
Commissioner Keelty says the Sheikh's comments could cause links with the Islamic community to be strained.
"What we're trying to do is work closely with the Islamic community - all of us - and understand them better and I guess this just, you know, doesn't help that cause," Commissioner Keelty said.
Political condemnation
The Treasurer Peter Costello has also condemned the reported comments by Sheikh Al Hilaly.
Speaking on Channel 7, Mr Costello said the Muslim community must condemn the comments and take action against the Sheikh.
"If you have a significant religious leader like this preaching to a flock in a situation where we've had gang rapes, in a way that seems to make it justifiable, or at least lighten the dehumanising and degrading extent of the offence, then people that listen to that kind of comment can get the wrong idea," Mr Costello said.
Federal Opposition Leader Kim Beazley says the remarks are offensive and the mufti should apologise for them.
"They are offensive and they should be retracted by him, they should be retracted immediately," Mr Beazley said.
"Those offensive statements should not be permitted to stand."Source: ABC
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Sheikh will step aside, Muslim colleague says9:47 AM October 30
An open letter has been sent to senior Sydney Muslim cleric Sheikh Taj El-din Al Hilaly, asking him to step aside from his position as the leader of Australia's largest Muslim congregation.
Last night a meeting was held behind closed doors by the Lebanese Muslim Association (LMA), which runs the main mosque in Sydney's south-west.
Already Sheikh Al Hilaly has been asked not to preach for three months, after it was revealed he had compared some women to uncovered meat during a sermon.
Dr Jamal Rifi is a close friend of the Sheikh and founder of Muslim Doctors Against Violence.
Dr Rifi sent the letter and says he thinks the Sheikh will step aside.
"I have no doubt whatsoever," he said.
"He knows where I stand, he knows where he stands and he has no option whatsoever but to put the interests of the community and society."
Source: ABC
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I cant believe ideas like these still exist... let alone in Australia.. since i was a kid, i've been furious at the laws some countries tried to pass.. things like..
"if a woman was raped and has sought for legal advice, the counsel cannot assist her further unless there are three MALE witnesses to the assault, has been identified."
dude, whuatthefuck?
"...reportedly preaching that some women are attracting sexual assault by the way they dress and their actions." attracting..sexual...assault?
and also, the defense used by the prosecuted included things like
"i am not to blame for my 'actions' because it was the way the plaintif has dressed up (uncovered meat) that has enticed me to do what i did."
yes ladies and gentlemen we're talking about rape here. and with that regard, you can go get fucked by some animal and die in a fire... you're no less than an animal and certainly no more than one either. that is seriously, the MOST PATHETIC defense anyone can think of.
"The ABC has been unable to contact Sheikh Al Hilaly, but an associate Keysar Trad, says the mufti's comments have been taken out of context."He wasn't talking about rape in any way," Mr Trad said. "
O RLY?
"He wasn't talking about standard norms of dress in Australia or any country, he wasn't talking about the hijab, he was talking about people who engage in extramarital sex."
Rolfcopter, that is like, putting an omlette and a fire truck together, then saying the both compliment each other.
not talking about the hijab eh?
"Sheikh Taj el-din Al Hilaly is reported as saying that women who do not wear the hijab, or headdress, are like uncovered meat."
red handed!
i can never understand how people like this dude, being such a sexist, can climb to a position that high in a religious organization.. i cannot understand a religion that would prosecute half of their members even till today, to the extent they cannot show their "meat" either.
seriously, reroll plz.
posted by Killl_Roy at 7:55 AM
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